Kansas Board of Education member calls evolution an "age-old fairy tale".

Whee. And in rebuttal to one of her quotes, it's not "anti-God contempt," it's anti-"religious-idiot" contempt.

From: [identity profile] foomf.livejournal.com


On the other hand, there's absolutely nothing in evolution that prohibits intelligent design. The two concepts are mutually independent. Trying to disprove the one with the other is just silly.

From: [identity profile] slog.livejournal.com


On the other hand, there's absolutely nothing in evolution that prohibits intelligent design.

I guess that's my biggest issue with the whole thing.

From: [identity profile] dvandom.livejournal.com


Not exactly. The details don't necessarily contradict, but the fundamental assumptions do.

Evolution, like the rest of science, assumes natural causes for everything. Supernatural causes are not allowed.

In its most generic form, ID doesn't require supernatural causes either. But Raelians aside, most ID proponents have God as the designer (Raelians just shift the whole issue back a step by saying aliens designed up, leaving open the issue of how the aliens came to be).

Once you let a supernatural explanation in, you're no longer doing science, you're doing theology. Which is fine if you SAY you're doing theology, but not if you're still calling it science.

From: [identity profile] foomf.livejournal.com


You're attributing fundamental assumptions to the creators of the theory which were not there.

The assumption that there is always a natural cause, that there is no 'supernatural' cause, is a part of modern scientific dogma, but it was never an underlying principle for Darwin or the majority of his co-developers. It wasn't an underlying principle for Newton, for Einstein, for Hawking (despite people shouting NO NO HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT?) ... to say that it was is an arrogant insertion.

The culture, the zeitgeist, of post-1900 science is predominantly atheistic. Actively seeking to disprove God or any 'supernatural' thing, based on the assertion that there must not be such.

This is not open-minded research. This is not scientific inquiry, even, in my opinion. Science examines what can be determined from evidence and experiment, or in the more etherial realms of higher math, it tries to find better abstractions that are more predictive or accurate, starting from the abstractions of what we know and working on.

In order to avoid being 'taken in' by fraud, there is a strong bias in favor of seeking a natural explanation. There is also 'I/We don't know' as an explanation for some stuff that's still incomprehensible. However, to dogmatically state that science does not permit the supernatural is to turn it into religion.

Darwin was profoundly shaken by what he saw as a possible natural cause for something he'd always believed to be a supernatural thing. However, like his peers and like many people of his time, he felt that his researches were necessary because it was important to understand the world, all of Creation, as he put it.

However. The modern anti-theistic attitude of science has certainly nourished the anti-science attitude of fundamentalist religion.
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